Fiind un fan al seriei sper ca cei de la Konami sa continue pe acelasi drum , pe care l-au inceput cu PES 2011
YouTube - UK_PES 2012 Announcement Video
Fiind un fan al seriei sper ca cei de la Konami sa continue pe acelasi drum , pe care l-au inceput cu PES 2011
YouTube - UK_PES 2012 Announcement Video
fain, pacat ca nam cu cine sal joc serios, ca as incerca sa fac rost de el
Nu prea vad nimic nou. Decat ca mingea are fizica schimbata si portarii au ceva miscari noi. Si din pacate observ ca au inceput sa il faca din ce in ce mai arcade.
Originally Posted by flightcrank
Fiind si eu un fan al seriei, imi doresc din tot sufletul sa uite de jocul numit PES 2011, care a fost gandit cu intentii bune dar a fost extrem de prost realizat. Apoi, sa se aseze la un PC si sa joace PES 6 si sa vada cam cum trebuie sa se comporte un joc de fotbal. Parca au uitat cum se face treaba, ai crede ca i-au concediat pe toti cei care au lucrat in trecut si au angajat maimute care sa faca development. Seabass, tipul acela atotstiutor, nu prea face fata. Abia acum, in 2012, s-a gandit el asa in turnul lui de fildes, ca poate ar fi bine sa scoata plasele alea gen cearceaf, lucru cerut de fani in zeci de mii de mesaje de-a lungul anilor. E si asta o realizare totusi. Una dintre cele mai proaste decizii luate vreodata de cei de la Konami a fost sa limiteze jucatorii de viteza, aducandu-i la acelasi nivel cu toti ceilalti. Nu au mai facut ca in 2010, cand Messi si Cocalar 7 erau rachete supersonice, insa acum, Walcott este ajuns din spate in viteza de Cadu, Messi alearga ca un smeagol, nu am vazut in viata mea un jucator sa alerge asa deselat iar Cocalar 7 abia trece de aparatorul de banda al echipei Sturm Graz, spre exemplu. Superb sau ce?
Apoi animatia jucatorilor. Dumnezeule mare, ce chin. Nu mai sunt la fel de robotizate ca in 2010 dar totusi sunt departe de ceea ce ar trebui sa fie. Aproape toti jucatorii, indiferent ca sunt vedete sau nu, au control greu al balonului, le trebuie 3 miscari sa se intoarca. Nu exista cursivitate, faza nu curge, nu exista flow. Este mecanic si e al naibi de enervant. FIFA e arcade, ping pong passing, adevarat, insa la animatia jucatorilor nu greseste. De ar face FIFA si PES o fuziune, ar iesi probabil o mutatie de joc extrem de apropiata de realitate.
Si ar mai fi...dar nu mai am chef. Jucatorii de PES stiu. Cu toate astea, jucandu-le pe amandoua, parca tot PES, cu tot cu problemele lui, iese triumfator.
Inteleg ca esti fan Barca(urasc pe cei care joaca NUMAI cu Barca sau Real)un mare minus la Pes2011 este sistemul d pase ,care este incredibil de prost gandit,in rest mai treci cu vederea datorita gameplay ului,sa vdm c stie Pes 2012
Inteleg ca esti fan Barca(urasc pe cei care joaca NUMAI cu Barca sau Real)
Nu inteleg de unde reiese ca sunt fan Barca sau ca joc doar cu Barca/Real cand eu am enuntat o problema strigatoare din 2011, faptul ca niciun jucator nu se diferentiaza fata de celalalat desi au statsuri diferite. In cazul asta, orice jucator de la Gloria Bistrita este la fel de bun ca Bale, Robben, Falcao, etc. Ce fel de joc e asta?
Nici macar nu am intrat in profunzime cand vine vorba de probleme. Nu am cum sa trec peste ele pentru ca sunt niste chestii care strica gameplay-ul EXTREM de mult.
Iti fac o lista scurta, sa vad daca poti sa treci cu vederea:
* Arbitrii - Ceva mai jalnic de atat nu exista. Nu se lasa legea avantajului deloc, foarte rar jocul merge lin, parca ma uit la un meci de la noi. Cursivitatea este 0. Se fluiera offside cand mingea nici nu ajunge la mine.
* Sistemul de penalty-uri atat din timpul meciului cat si de la final. Cel care a luat decizia ca jucatorul sa vada de sus lovitura de pedeapsa iar sistemul de executare sa fie ala merita palmuit si dat afara. Nu inteleg ce ar fi atat de greu daca ar fi exact ca ala de la FIFA, un sistem logic de altfel. Unde tin stick-ul, acolo sa se duca, puterea sa o vad in bara si aia e. Au incercat sa fie mai speciali. Ce pot sa zic, le-a iesit.
* Sistemul de pase (dupa cum ai zis si tu) si adaug si sistemul de centrari. Trebuie refacut, este incredibil de prost gandit. Ar mai fi si sistemul de schimbare al jucatorilor, mereu il alege pe cel care este cel mai departe de faza. Revolutionar e putin spus.
* Comentariul slab al celor 2 + atmosfera dezolanta din tribune pe partea audio. Inca o data, ar putea fura ceva de la FIFA in cazul asta, nu strica sa iei ceva bun si sa-l faci si mai bun.
* AI-ul portarilor si al coechipierilor este sinistru de slab. Numai in PES se poate ca din 5 lovituri libere, in 2 dintre ele, niste jucatori de-ai mei sa stea in offside cand se da drumul la pasa. Realism, nu gluma. Portarii fac balet. Ce-ar mai fi de zis?
Si ca un mic bonus, faulturile. KONAMI ne arata ca de fapt fizica pe care am intatat-o la scoala este gresita, am fost indoctrinati prost, asadar, ne cizeleaza ei. Esti faultat din spate, dar tu totusi cazi pe sira spinarii ca un salt in apa de la strand. Nu-i asa ca-i tare?
in sfarsit au schimbat plasele portilor care erau dezgustatoare !
@Khufu, bine punctat dar banuiesc ca esti constient ca acestea sunt doar cateva minusuri, ele sunt mult mai multe si ca sa adaug si eu pe langa cele scrise de tine:
Alergatul jucatorilor pe langa minge fara sa se appropie de aceasta cu toate ca sunt foarte aproape de ea.
In cazurile stopurilor sau a devierilor, sare mingea din jucator in ambele cazuri de zici ca are arcuri.
Acestea sunt 2 probleme care mi-au venit in minte cand am citit posturile tale dar mai sunt cu siguranta.
Si eu sunt fan PES dar am fost foarte dezamagit de PES 2011, cu cat il joc mai mult constat ca are prea multe defecte iar PES 2010 a fost mai reusit.
Sa speram ca in PES 2012 aceste probleme vor disparea.
Am insirat ce mi-a venit pe moment. De existat, cu siguranta mai exista. Ca dovada ca am uitat ce ai reclamat tu, cu alergarea pe langa minge si senzatia aia de "patinat" si felul in care pun unii jucatori fac stop de zici ca sare din coltului mesei.
Exact aceeasi senzatie o aveam si eu, cu cat il jucam mai mult, cu atat aveam mai multe motive de a fi dezamagit. L-am lasat deoparte de ceva timp.
Nu putem decat sa speram, mai e putin si vom afla.
Nu am zis o cu rautate ,ca esti fan Barca,poate nu iti place de Ronaldo
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‪PES 2012 Gameplay Video 08 - Teammate Controls / Manual‬‏ - YouTube
I do not like sports game but this one loks cool
Thanks for nice post
Mie unul mi se par promitoare clipurile pe care le-au prezentat. Pare totul ceva mai fluid. Sper asemenea celor ce au scris mai sus sa revina la ideea de baza in jurul careia s-au coaugulat PES 5 si PES 6.
Nu am cumparat PES 2011 pentru ca mi s-a parut ca are suficiente bug-uri cat sa nu merite investitia. Totusi, trebuie sa recunosc, astept cu mare interes urmatorul joc din serie, sau, mai degraba, demo-ul acestuia.
Pro Evolution Soccer 2012: Ultimate Player Controls - Xbox
Konami today unveiled additions to PES 2012 that will give users more control over the on-field action than in any football game to date. The new Teammate Control system – which gives users complete control over secondary players while the runner has the ball – represent an astonishing advance for the series.
KONAMI has previously outlined an all-new player select system wherein any player can be targeted and controlled as a set piece is taken, but the new system will give PES 2012 players total freedom in all areas. The Teammate Control system works in two ways, with users pressing the right analogue stick in the direction of the player they wish to control. The Assisted mode allows the user to activate a second player by depressing the R3 button, and allows users to get to grips with the greater level of control via effective running movements. Greater control is offered by the Manual mode, wherein the user has complete freedom of movement of the second player, and can make shuttle runs, find space, and shake off markers before calling for the pass from the player still with the ball. The player will then revert to computer control when the R3 button is released, and can also be used to override any AI runs the player wants to cancel. Both can be affected at any time, so players can make moves without waiting for a pass to be completed.
PES 2012 has already added a wealth of new AI elements to ensure that its on-field action truly reflects that of football at the highest level. The Active AI system ensures that players track attackers more effectively, but without compromising the shape of the team, while one-on-one situations offer greater control as defenders press and jostle to win the ball, as attackers can use upper body feints and movements to bypass and wrong-foot their man.
Series Producer Shingo 'Seabass' Takatsuka and his Tokyo-based team have also confirmed a secondary batch of welcome additions, many of which have been added following consultation with PES and football fans from all over the world. Penalties in PES 2012, for instance, have been completely reworked and now use a camera from behind the taker, with players determining the position, power and placement of each kick. Shooting has also been enhanced, with the various attributes of each player taken into account with the timing, pace of the ball and position of the striker's body to the ball coming into effect to produce less wild, ballooned efforts. Shot feints also return, with player moving so the goalie commits to the save, whilst the player can reposition for a clearer effort.
Alongside these additions to shooting, movement and reaction everywhere else is also been greatly enhanced. Valuable time has been shaved from player reactions, and overall improvements to the animation via flow-block motions and changes to the player hit-point elements have lead to a three-frame improvement in response times, meaning players are quicker to chase down balls, amend and tailor their run, or take on a defender. The speed with which players turn has also been streamlined, making quick movements more fluid and natural. Vitally, control is no longer totally lost when losing possession of the ball, with players recovering quickly when stumbling to reclaim the ball, or close the ground when tracking back.
All skills can also now be refined in the return of the much loved 'Challenge Training' mode. A hugely popular part of PES lore - Challenge Training - gives the player a series of tough tests which they can use to hone various skills. The mode allows users to work hard on their attacking and defending skills to improve their main game. Similarly, there are dribbling tests and set-piece challenges that necessitate hitting a series of targets, and punishing shooting tasks are used for push the player as they put in the hours that will make all the difference on field.
The aesthetic style of PES 2012 has also been refined further, with the overall movement of the players now more fluid than ever, with animations segueing into each other effortlessly and incredible attention to detail. Such is the level of graphical finesses that you can see players sweating, their neck muscles tensing as they call for the ball and bark orders to each other, and the muscles in their mouths and around their eyes contort to show the emotions the players are experiencing. This is further enhanced via dynamic lighting in the game which creates shadow and reflects from their eyes in true real-time. In keeping with the game's exclusive use of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa LeagueTM licenses, referees governing such matches will also wear the official UEFA Champions League uniforms.
Attention to detail also extends to the circumstances surrounding each match. Players limber up before a match, grounds-men prepare the surface as the players wait in the tunnel, while managers can be seen patrolling the touchline as camera cranes pan to cover the action. The players also pick up the ball in readiness of a throw-in, and general physicality is enhanced, with players reacting to how they are challenged, stumbling or falling depending on the severity of the tackle.
"The addition of Teammate Control is something we have been working on for a while now, and we are delighted that it will make its debut in PES 2012," commented Jon Murphy, European PES Team Leader for Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH. "We have been building to create a control system that truly lets the player do whatever they like on field, and the ability to manually control a second player while simultaneously running with the ball opens all kinds of attacking options. Coupled with the Active AI advancements that ensure supporting players make shuttle run and find space, and I think we have made a huge step towards producing the most advanced football title to date."
"This is the start of a major new era for PES," added Murphy. "In the coming weeks we will detail more on how the ever-popular Master League has evolved, and will be unveiling the new face of the series. With PES moving ever upwards, it is time for an equally high profile and skilled cover star. The new player has all the attributes of the new game, in that he is a strong all-rounder, skillful, fast, and capable of making magic happen on-field. We have had a wonderful time working so closely with Lionel Messi and thank him for his efforts and support, and will reveal who will be the face of PES 2012 very, very soon."
S-au trezit si astia.
Pai de la atatea "reclamatii" cred si eu ca s-au trezit...
Ma bucur pentru aceasta schimbare si sper sa nu fie ultima, sa continue cu schimbari in bine.
Astept cu interes noul pes 12.
Din pacate nu stiu cat timp am sa am sa il joc.
Site-ul PESedit.Konami have announced that the playable demo of PES 2012 will be available next week for XBOX360, PS3 and most probably PC! More info as we have it.
adica,chiar in ultima saptamana din august ...waw,are ceva timp pana la lansare(parca 14OCT,nu?) ... macar la PES avem repriza mai lunga decat la FIFA(la demo ma refer) ...
m'a lasat masca ...football life pare extraordinar,detaliile din timpul antrenamentelor,prezentarea jucatorului,dialogurile din birouri ... singurul impediment,pentru mine,este lipsa licentelor la campionate ... daca PES s'ar axa pe campionatele care nu sunt prezente in FIFA,cred ca ar avea de castigat,in plus,admiratori ...
Football Life pare interesant, iar in rest jocul arata destul de bine.
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