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    Nintendo Switch 2 in the making...

    Au aparut din ce in ce mai multe zvonuri si informatii despre urmatoarea consola a celor de la Nintendo, care banuim ca se va numi Switch 2. La partea de informatii, stim cu siguranta ca in cadrul Gamescom unii game developers au avut surpriza de a arunca o privire la ceva tech demos. Reactiile au fost extrem de pozitive, mai ales dupa ce a fost prezentat demo-ul celor de la Epic Games (The Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5) si The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom ruland la rezolutii si calitate mult superioare.

    Pe partea de zvonuri, se pare ca Nintendo Switch 2 va folosi tehnologia de upscaling de la Nvidia (in cadrul demo-ului a fost folosit din pacate DLSS 3.1 si nu 3.5), precum si "boasted ray tracing and graphical fidelity". Ba mai mult, ni se spune ca noua consola va veni cu 12GB RAM (fata de doar 4GB RAM pe Switch).

    Mai multe informatii (mai ales concrete) in acest moment nu avem, dar cum vom afla ceva extra vom prezenta cu siguranta. Vorbele spun ca Nintendo are ca target 2024 pentru noua consola, care cel putin in mod "docked" se va putea bate de la egal la egal cu concurentii PlayStation 5 si Xbox Series X (avand desigur avantajul ca poate fi folosita si ca o consola portabila).

    Sunt tare curios, ce asteptari aveti de la noua consola Nintendo? Credeti ca in sfarsit va intra Nintendo in randul "next-gen" (more like actual-gen, really), sau vor ramane tot pe stilul clasic, cat mai "retro"?
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    Manager paul's Avatar
    Alte speculatii:
    - patent pentru AI upscaling technology
    Quote Originally Posted by Nintendo Life
    Opened on 25th March 2020 and released publicly yesterday (30th September), the application is titled 'systems and methods for machine learned image conversion', and though the initial language can be a headscratcher it is essentially an idea similar to NVIDIA's DLSS.

    What makes this application intriguing is that Nintendo is clearly exploring this internally - a named party on the application is Alexandre Delattre, who is a co-founder of Nintendo European Research and Development.
    Patent Reveals Nintendo Is Working On Upscaling Technology
    - legat de controller drift:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dexerto
    In one of the various patents from Nintendo on September 7, 2023, it goes over a joystick that uses a magnetic field.

    Compared to normal potentiometer joysticks like we see in the original Switch that use physical electric contacts to send a signal through the board, Hall effect joysticks use a magnetic field that lacks the ability to physically wear down.

    In the listing, they describe a joystick that sends a signal to the console based on how strong the magnetic pull is from the closest sensor.
    New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

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    Senior Member Mayhem's Avatar
    Din punctul meu de vedere Nintendo va cauta un sweet spot intre fidelity si performance cu cateva compromisuri, probabil vom vedea ceva asemanator ca performanta cu xbox series S. Sper din tot sufletul la un ecran oled minim 1080p pe handheld. O veste foarte buna cu joystick-urile magnetice, sper din toata inima sa le iasa si MS si Sony sa bage la cap si sa scoata gamepaduri cu aceeasi tehnologie. Eu personal mi-as dori foarte tare o tehnologie stil apple silicon sau snapdragon soc care sa permita o durata de viata a bateriei mai consistenta, as zice ca 3-5 ore pe handheld mode ar fi ceva de vis.

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Sper din tot sufletul la un ecran oled minim 1080p pe handheld.
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games Chronicle
    Two sources VGC spoke to suggested that the console could launch with an LCD screen, instead of the more premium OLED, in order to bring down costs, especially considering the increased storage needed for higher fidelity games.
    Sources: Nintendo targets 2024 with next-gen console

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    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Sad. Eu in locul lor as fi scos 2 variante, asa cum avem si la concurenta. Un Switch Lite si un Switch Pro, ceva de genul. Unul cu LCD (eventual chiar si lower res screen sau diagonala mai mica), si unul cu OLED, mai scump. In felul acesta i-ar impaca pe toti.

    ---------- Post added 09-09-2023 at 19:39 ----------

    Ugh, Mediatek... Nintendo Switch 2: New Leak Points to More Powerful MediaTek Processor. Sper sa nu... Sau poate, cine stie, va merge Nintendo 100% pe ARM si atunci sunt sanse sa vedem jocurile lor si pe smartphones & tablets... ?

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    Senior Member sexbobomb91's Avatar
    Ciudate zvonuri, odată-i Nvidia cu DLSS, odată-i Mediatek cu alt upscaling tech. Nu știi ce să mai crezi.
    Posibil nu s-au decis nici ei încă și sunt in negocieri cu mai mulți hardware vendors.
    De aceea demo-urile arătate de ei rulau pe un "target specs" machine, nu pe hardware-ul final.
    Performantele nu cred că vor ajunge la nivelul PS5/XSX, că până la urmă e vorba tot de chipuri mobile; cât de puternic e iPhone 15 Pro-ul dar tot se vede că PS5-ul rulează RE4 Remake mai bine.
    Dacă ar rula ca un XSS ar fi perfect pentru Nintendo, că ei se pricep să optimizeze foarte bine jocurile prin art direction și foarte mult polish. E un miracol cum rulează Tears of the Kingdom pe potato-ul de Switch.
    Și legat de ARM - ar fi un vis frumos să vedem jocurile lor pe alte platforme, dar nu cred că se va întâmpla prea curând.
    Ideea cu modelul OLED la lansare îmi surâde și mie, dar ar fi prea logică pentru Nintendo .

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    - in decembrie 2022, Nintendo a prezentat celor de la Activision o varianta in care consola avea specificatii de PS4/XONE - poza atasata, dar fara .pdf:
    Given the closer alignment to Gen8 platforms in terms of performance and our previous offerings on PS4 / Xbox One, it is reasonable to assume we could make something compelling for the NG Switch as well. It would be helpful to secure early access to development hardware prototypes and prove that out nice and early.
    - Nintendo angajeaza pentru machine learning:
    We at Nintendo are looking for a Data Engineer to help with integration of machine learning technologies on low-power embedded platforms.

    You will be working at the intersection of machine learning inference engines and embedded systems, facing challenges that stem from processing and memory constraints and a power budget.

    Tasks include, but are not limited to, porting of machine learning frameworks to embedded platforms, evaluation and benchmarking of machine learning hardware solutions, selection and optimization of machine learning models to fit power, memory, and CPU budgets.
    CONTRACT - Engineer, Machine Learning (NTD) - Careers at Nintendo of America
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    Senior Member sexbobomb91's Avatar
    Mda, performante de PS4/Xbox One ( nici măcar Pro sau One X) e mai ușor de crezut decât PS5.
    E interesant că Nintendo niciodată nu au vândut o consolă în pierdere. Adică le fac intenționat cât mai slabe ca să aibă profit cât mai mare și din vânzări hardware, nu doar software.
    Spre deosebire de Sony și Microsoft care au vândut PS5 și Series S/X în pierdere când s-au lansat.
    Mi-aș dori foarte mult să facă și Nintendo la fel de acum înainte și să fie consola asta măcar ca un Series S de performantă.

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    Member codpin's Avatar
    Da lumea inca nu intelege ca Nintendo nu s-a bazat niciodata pe performanta ci pe IP-urile lor.

    Vrei performanta portabila? Ai Steam Deck si alternativele sau chiar PS Portal.

    Sa vina acum Nintendo cu o consola puternica ar fi chiar impotriva logicii lor. Ei au jocuri care ruleaza bine pe hw lor si au si niste portari care ruleaza decent spre penibil dar cand alegi sa joci 3rd party games pe cel mai slab hardware nu te prea poti plange.

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    Senior Member Xander RO's Avatar
    Este mare pacat ca Nintendo au limitat ani de zile intentionat potentialul artistic al unor jocuri din universuri ca Zelda sau Mario, fortand lumea sa le joace pe un ecran mizerabil (chiar si cel OLED), la o rezolutie mizerabila si cu un framerate mizerabil.

    Ce showdown artistic ar fi fost Zelda macar intr-un 1080p si in 60fps, dar asa efectiv te uiti la rezolutia aia SD de Switch si te ia durerea de cap...
    Eu dupa ce am terminat The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild si Super Mario Odyssey (fabuloase jocuri ambele), nu am mai gasit motivatia sa imi rup ochii pe un ecran de Samsung Galaxy S2 in 20fps... chiar daca sunt multe elte jocuri superbe care asteapta in sertar

    Despre Switch 2, pentru handheld, niste specs comparative cu PS4/Xbox One cred ca ar fi ok, pentru ce propun ei ca si stil artistic/grafica.

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    Junior Member brastor's Avatar
    Nintendo nu s-a străduit întotdeauna pentru o putere de procesare maximă în comparație cu concurenții săi. Au preferat să se concentreze pe inovație și pe experiența unică de joc oferită de consolele lor.

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    Alte zvonuri:
    - doua modele: digital-only $399, standard $449
    - lansare in 24 septembrie 2024 cu fallback 3 noiembrie
    - functii AR
    - fara OLED
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    Manager paul's Avatar
    Procesorul sa fie T239?:
    For several years now, Nvidia has been working on a new gaming processor codenamed T239.

    Derived from a Tegra chip designed for the automotive and robotics industry, T239 combines an eight-core ARM CPU cluster with an Nvidia Ampere-class GPU with 1536 CUDA cores, advanced machine learning and RT capabilities - plus a file decompression engine for fast loading.

    Rich assesses the leaks and disclosures on T239, ties it to the next Switch project and fires up an ultra-low spec Ampere GPU to get some idea of what this processor can achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomberg
    Nintendo Co. will launch a new game console this year with an 8-inch LCD screen, according to Omdia analyst Hiroshi Hayase.
    Nintendo’s Next Switch Coming This Year With LCD, Omdia Says

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    Member codpin's Avatar
    Normal. Vand vreo 2 ani versiunea LCD si apoi scot si versiunea OLED sa cumpere lumea iar...

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    Member IsNotMe's Avatar
    Ca sa citesc articolul, tre sa fac ... plm ! Next time !

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    N-ai ce sa mai citesti, informatia esentiala e in quote. Acel analist urmareste cererea pentru producerea de displays.

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    S-ar lansa mai tarziu, la inceput de 2025:
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurogamer
    Eurogamer sources can now corroboate the earlier reports that the Switch 2, once destined for release later in 2024, is now set for Q1 2025.

    The console's launch moving into early next year - but still within the coming financial year - is designed to ensure Switch 2's launch line-up features as many titles as possible, Eurogamer understands.

    Separately, VGC has also now reported on the move to Q1 2025, with publishing sources saying Nintendo recently briefed third-party game companies on the move from late 2024 to early 2025.
    Nintendo Switch 2 release date now Q1 2025 - reports | Eurogamer.net

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    Nikkei spune ca cel mai devreme se lanseaza in martie 2025:
    Delay allows streamlining of sales, gives developers time to create titles for new unit
    Nintendo to launch Switch console successor in March 2025 at earliest - Nikkei Asia.

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    Au aparut niste informatii despre Switch 2, cica Nintendo a tinut o prezentare producatorilor de accesorii si periferice in China.

    Un site spaniol spune ca:
    - nu se lanseaza in 2024, desi ar putea, pentru ca nu ar fi multumiti de launch lineup, mai bine asteapta 2025
    - mai mare ca Switch, mai mica decat Steam Deck
    - Joy-Con cu atasamente magnetice
    - Pro Controller compatibil
    (spaniola) Exclusiva mundial sobre Switch 2: Ya conocemos nuevos detalles filtrados de la próxima consola de Nintendo - Vandal

    Un producator chinez posteaza direct pe blogul lor:
    Quote Originally Posted by Mobapad
    1. The Switch 2 will continue to support existing Joy-Cons and the Pro Controller, still equipped with ALPS dual-axis linear motors for HD rumble.
    2. The cartridge slot of the Switch 2 will support backward compatibility with physical Switch game cartridges, ensuring compatibility with players' existing game libraries, including digital versions. However, the second-generation cartridges may not be compatible with the first-generation console.
    3. The new version of Joy-Con has a larger volume, and the sliding rail structure has been changed to magnetic suction. The SL and SR buttons are metal buttons. Magnetic suction is achieved through electromagnetic suction technology, controlled by electric current. It's worth noting that, in addition to the L, ZL, R, and ZR buttons on the sides of the Joy-Con controller, a third button has been added on both the left and right sides.
    Additionally, below the HOME button on the right Joy-Con, there is an additional function button!
    4. The bottom of the Switch 2 will still feature a USB-C port for docking, and the new generation dock will undergo minor changes in appearance while enhancing performance, supporting 4K resolution.
    5. The new dock will feature a damping bracket on the back, allowing for a greater range of adjustable angles.
    6. The screen will be upgraded to an 8-inch display, supporting 1080P resolution.
    (engleza) Switch 2: Nintendo's Next-Gen Gaming Experience Unveiled – mobapad

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