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    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Am verificat tot ce era oficial si tot nu a mers.

    Am reusit sa-i dau de cap pana la urma cu download si update din AppStore si nu din System Settings.

  3. #1083 SP
    Banned Crbl2001's Avatar
    Daca nu ma insel era mentionata treaba asta si acolo.In fine, bine ca ai rezolvat.

  4. #1084 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Acolo scrie doar pt versiunile mai vechi:
    If you’re running High Sierra (10.13), Sierra (10.12), or El Capitan (10.11), upgrade to macOS Catalina from the App Store.
    Pe Air-u asta aveam 10.14 deci ar fi trebui sa mearga si mergea, doar ca nu facea pana la final, nu stiu de ce.

    Bine macar ca nu s-a pierdut nimic de pe el.

  5. #1085 SP
    Manager paul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple
    Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon

    Developers can start building apps today and first system ships by year’s end, beginning a two-year transition

    Cupertino, California — In a historic day for the Mac, Apple today announced it will transition the Mac to its world-class custom silicon to deliver industry-leading performance and powerful new technologies. Developers can now get started updating their apps to take advantage of the advanced capabilities of Apple silicon in the Mac. This transition will also establish a common architecture across all Apple products, making it far easier for developers to write and optimize their apps for the entire ecosystem.

    Apple today also introduced macOS Big Sur, the next major release of macOS, which delivers its biggest update in more than a decade and includes technologies that will ensure a smooth and seamless transition to Apple silicon. Developers can easily convert their existing apps to run on Apple silicon, taking advantage of its powerful technologies and performance. And for the first time, developers can make their iOS and iPadOS apps available on the Mac without any modifications.

    To help developers get started with Apple silicon, Apple is also launching the Universal App Quick Start Program, which provides access to documentation, forums support, beta versions of macOS Big Sur and Xcode 12, and the limited use of a Developer Transition Kit (DTK), a Mac development system based on Apple’s A12Z Bionic System on a Chip (SoC).

    Apple plans to ship the first Mac with Apple silicon by the end of the year and complete the transition in about two years. Apple will continue to support and release new versions of macOS for Intel-based Macs for years to come, and has exciting new Intel-based Macs in development. The transition to Apple silicon represents the biggest leap ever for the Mac.

    “From the beginning, the Mac has always embraced big changes to stay at the forefront of personal computing. Today we’re announcing our transition to Apple silicon, making this a historic day for the Mac,” said Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO. “With its powerful features and industry-leading performance, Apple silicon will make the Mac stronger and more capable than ever. I’ve never been more excited about the future of the Mac.”

    Family of Mac SoCs to Deliver Powerful New Features and Best-in-Class Performance
    For over a decade, Apple’s world-class silicon design team has been building and refining Apple SoCs. The result is a scalable architecture custom designed for iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch that leads the industry in unique features and performance per watt, and makes each of them best in class. Building upon this architecture, Apple is designing a family of SoCs for the Mac. This will give the Mac industry-leading performance per watt and higher performance GPUs — enabling app developers to write even more powerful pro apps and high-end games. And access to technologies such as the Neural Engine will make the Mac an amazing platform for developers to use machine learning. This will also create a common architecture across all Apple products, making it far easier for developers to write and optimize software for the entire Apple ecosystem.

    macOS Big Sur Enables Transition to Apple Silicon
    In macOS Big Sur, Apple is offering a range of technologies to make the transition to Apple silicon smooth and seamless. With everything built into Xcode 12, such as native compilers, editors, and debugging tools, most developers will be able to get their apps running in a matter of days. Using Universal 2 application binaries, developers will be able to easily create a single app that taps into the native power and performance of the new Macs with Apple silicon, while still supporting Intel-based Macs. With the translation technology of Rosetta 2, users will be able to run existing Mac apps that have not yet been updated, including those with plug-ins. Virtualization technology allows users to run Linux. Developers can also make their iOS and iPadOS apps available on the Mac without any modifications.

    Quick Start Program Lets Developers Get Started Today
    Apple Developer Program members can start moving their apps to Apple silicon today by applying for the Universal App Quick Start Program. The program provides access to documentation, forums support, beta versions of macOS Big Sur and Xcode 12, and includes the limited use of a DTK, which will enable developers to build and test their Universal 2 apps. The DTK, which must be returned to Apple at the end of the program, consists of a Mac mini with Apple’s A12Z Bionic SoC inside and desktop specs, including 16GB of memory, a 512GB SSD, and a variety of Mac I/O ports. Developers can apply to the program at developer.apple.com, and the total cost of the program is $500.
    Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon - Apple

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple
    Apple introduces macOS Big Sur with a beautiful new design

    macOS Big Sur includes the biggest Safari update ever and powerful enhancements to Messages, Maps, and privacy

    Cupertino, California — Apple today previewed macOS Big Sur, the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system. macOS Big Sur introduces a beautiful redesign that is entirely new yet instantly familiar. Safari is packed with new features, including a customizable start page, elegantly designed and more powerful tabs, quick and easy translation, and a new Privacy Report. The updated Messages app lets Mac users send and receive more personal and expressive messages, and easily keep track of and interact within group messages. Maps also offers an all-new experience with immersive features for exploring and navigating the world.
    “macOS Big Sur is a major update that advances the legendary combination of the power of UNIX with the ease of use of the Mac, and delivers our biggest update to design in more than a decade,” said Craig Federighi, Apple’s senior vice president of Software Engineering. “With its modern and clean look, huge improvements to key apps including Safari, Messages, and Maps, and new privacy features, we think everyone is going to love the breakthrough experience that macOS Big Sur offers.”

    Biggest Design Upgrade Since the Introduction of Mac OS X

    A Faster, More Personal, Privacy-First Safari Experience

    Powerful and Expressive Messages

    All-New Planning Tools with Maps

    Industry-Leading Privacy

    World-Class Developer Tools

    Availability
    Apple introduces macOS Big Sur with a beautiful new design - Apple

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    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Genial. Asteptam Universal Apps de ani buni. Cat despre Intel, era momentul sa isi cam ia Apple mainile de pe ei, pur si simplu s-au cam culcat pe o ureche...

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    Manager paul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple
    Apple unleashes M1
    With industry-leading performance, powerful features, and incredible efficiency, M1 is Apple’s first chip designed specifically for the Mac

    Cupertino, California — Apple today announced M1, the most powerful chip it has ever created and the first chip designed specifically for the Mac. M1 is optimized for Mac systems in which small size and power efficiency are critically important. As a system on a chip (SoC), M1 combines numerous powerful technologies into a single chip, and features a unified memory architecture for dramatically improved performance and efficiency. M1 is the first personal computer chip built using cutting-edge 5-nanometer process technology and is packed with an astounding 16 billion transistors, the most Apple has ever put into a chip. It features the world’s fastest CPU core in low-power silicon, the world’s best CPU performance per watt, the world’s fastest integrated graphics in a personal computer, and breakthrough machine learning performance with the Apple Neural Engine. As a result, M1 delivers up to 3.5x faster CPU performance, up to 6x faster GPU performance, and up to 15x faster machine learning, all while enabling battery life up to 2x longer than previous-generation Macs. With its profound increase in performance and efficiency, M1 delivers the biggest leap ever for the Mac.1

    “There has never been a chip like M1, our breakthrough SoC for the Mac. It builds on more than a decade of designing industry-leading chips for iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch, and ushers in a whole new era for the Mac,” said Johny Srouji, Apple’s senior vice president of Hardware Technologies. “When it comes to low-power silicon, M1 has the world’s fastest CPU core, the world’s fastest integrated graphics in a personal computer, and the amazing machine learning performance of the Apple Neural Engine. With its unique combination of remarkable performance, powerful features, and incredible efficiency, M1 is by far the best chip we’ve ever created.”

    First System on a Chip for the Mac

    The World’s Best CPU Performance per Watt

    The World’s Fastest Integrated Graphics

    Blazing-Fast, On-Device Machine Learning

    More Innovative Technologies Packed into M1

    macOS Big Sur Optimized for M1

    Start of a Two-Year Transition for the Mac

    1. “World’s fastest CPU core in low-power silicon”: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM measuring peak single thread performance of workloads taken from select industry standard benchmarks, commercial applications, and open source applications. Comparison made against the highest-performing CPUs for notebooks, commercially available at the time of testing. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro. “World’s best CPU performance per watt”: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM. Performance per watt refers to the ratio of peak CPU performance to average power consumed using select industry standard benchmarks. Comparison made against high-performing CPUs for notebooks and desktops, commercially available at the time of testing. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro. “World’s fastest integrated graphics in a personal computer”: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM using select industry standard benchmarks. Comparison made against the highest-performing integrated GPUs for notebooks and desktops, commercially available at the time of testing. Integrated GPU is defined as a GPU located on a monolithic silicon die along with a CPU and memory controller, behind a unified memory subsystem. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
    2. “World’s fastest browser”: Testing conducted by Apple in August and October 2020 using JetStream 2, MotionMark 1.1, and Speedometer 2.0 performance benchmarks on browsers that completed the test. Tested with prerelease Safari 14 and latest stable versions of Chrome, Firefox, and (Windows) Microsoft Edge at the time of testing, on Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with prerelease macOS Big Sur and Windows 10 Home running in Boot Camp; 12.9-inch iPad Pro (4th generation) units with prerelease iPadOS 14 and Intel Core i7-based Microsoft Surface Pro 7 systems with Windows 10 Pro; and iPhone 11 Pro Max with prerelease iOS 14 and Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra with Android 10. Devices tested with a WPA2 Wi-Fi network connection. Performance will vary based on usage, system configuration, network connection, and other factors. “Up to 1.5x speedier at running JavaScript and nearly 2x more responsive”: Testing conducted by Apple in September and October 2020 using JetStream 2 and Speedometer 2.0 performance benchmarks. Tested on preproduction MacBook Air and Mac mini systems with Apple M1 chip and 8-core GPU, as well as production 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Air systems and 3.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i3-based Mac mini systems, all configured with 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, and prerelease macOS Big Sur. Tested with prerelease Safari 14.0.1 and WPA2 Wi-Fi network connection. Performance will vary based on system configuration, network configuration, network connection, and other factors.

    Apple unleashes M1 - Apple
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple
    Introducing the next generation of Mac
    A new MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, and Mac mini powered by M1, Apple’s breakthrough chip for the Mac

    Cupertino, California — On a momentous day for the Mac, Apple today introduced a new MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, and Mac mini powered by the revolutionary M1, the first in a family of chips designed by Apple specifically for the Mac. By far the most powerful chip Apple has ever made, M1 transforms the Mac experience. With its industry-leading performance per watt, together with macOS Big Sur, M1 delivers up to 3.5x faster CPU, up to 6x faster GPU, up to 15x faster machine learning (ML) capabilities, and battery life up to 2x longer than before. And with M1 and Big Sur, users get access to the biggest collection of apps ever for Mac. With amazing performance and remarkable new features, the new lineup of M1-powered Macs are an incredible value, and all are available to order today.

    “The introduction of three new Macs featuring Apple’s breakthrough M1 chip represents a bold change that was years in the making, and marks a truly historic day for the Mac and for Apple,” said Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO. “M1 is by far the most powerful chip we’ve ever created, and combined with Big Sur, delivers mind-blowing performance, extraordinary battery life, and access to more software and apps than ever before. We can’t wait for our customers to experience this new generation of Mac, and we have no doubt it will help them continue to change the world.”

    MacBook Air: A Thin and Light Powerhouse

    13-inch MacBook Pro: Even More Powerful and Even More Pro

    Mac mini: Staggering Performance and an Ultracompact Design

    macOS Big Sur

    Pricing and Availability

    1. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM. Performance measured using select industry-standard benchmarks. PC configurations from publicly available sales data over the last 12 months. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
    2. Battery life depends on device settings, usage, and other factors. Actual results may vary.
    3. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i7-based PC systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Tested with graphics-intensive workloads in commercial applications. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
    4. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i7-based PC systems with discrete graphics. Compact pro notebook defined as a notebook with high-performance graphics, weight of 3.1 pounds or less, and thickness of 0.85 inches or less. Tested with pre-trained Convolutional Neural Network models and optimized frameworks on each platform. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
    5. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction Mac mini systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i5-based PC systems with Intel UHD Graphics 630 and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Tested with select industry-standard graphics benchmarks. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac mini.
    6. “World’s fastest browser”: Testing conducted by Apple in August and October 2020 using JetStream 2, MotionMark 1.1, and Speedometer 2.0 performance benchmarks on browsers that completed the test. Tested with prerelease Safari 14 and latest stable versions of Chrome, Firefox, and (Windows) Microsoft Edge at the time of testing, on Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with prerelease macOS Big Sur and Windows 10 Home running in Boot Camp; 12.9-inch iPad Pro (4th generation) units with prerelease iPadOS 14 and Intel Core i7-based Microsoft Surface Pro 7 systems with Windows 10 Pro; and iPhone 11 Pro Max with prerelease iOS 14 and Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra with Android 10. Devices tested with a WPA2 Wi-Fi network connection. Performance will vary based on usage, system configuration, network connection, and other factors. “Up to 1.5x speedier at running JavaScript and nearly 2x more responsive”: Testing conducted by Apple in September and October 2020 using JetStream 2 and Speedometer 2.0 performance benchmarks. Tested on preproduction MacBook Air and Mac mini systems with Apple M1 chip and 8-core GPU, as well as production 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Air systems and 3.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i3-based Mac mini systems, all configured with 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, and prerelease macOS Big Sur. Tested with prerelease Safari 14.0.1 and WPA2 Wi-Fi network connection. Performance will vary based on system configuration, network configuration, network connection, and other factors.
    Introducing the next generation of Mac - Apple
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  8. #1088 SP
    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Eu sunt chiar curios daca jucaria asta de M1 de la Apple chiar va sustine ce s-a tot spus in conferinta. x better performance, y better thermals, z better runtime, and so on. Sunt sigur ca pe undeva pe-acolo, cineva de la Intel isi baga unghia in gat... dar, si-au facut-o cu mana lor. Personal, eu ma bucur ca nu s-a adeverit zvonul acela, cum ca Apple va trece la AMD. Prefer sa mearga pe al lor in-house CPU.

    Also, una din cele mai tari chestii: Universal Apps. Practic din asta castiga atat MacOS-ul cat si iOS-ul si iPadOS-ul (poate chiar si TVOS-ul). De-abia astept sa pot rula Mac apps pe iPad, si invers, sa am toate jocurile de iPad pe MacOS. Cu mici diferente, unde iarasi, mi-as fi dorit sa vad macar un MacBook cu touchscreen. Dar, cred ca nu vor sa-si canibalizeze iPad-urile...

  9. #1089 SP
    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Deja au aparut primele rezultate de la MacBook Air cu M1, si e super nice.
    The new Apple Silicon M1 Chip in MacBook Air.

    In comparison to Macs, the single-core performance is better than any other available Mac, and the multi-core performance beats out all of the 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro models, including the 10th-generation high-end 2.4GHz Intel Core i9 model. That high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro earned a single-core score of 1096 and a multi-core score of 6870.
    E totusi doar primul lor procesor custom de MacBook. E un inceput bun, zic.

    P.S. Am facut si eu acum un test pe al meu desktop (i9 cu 8 core-uri, 16 threaduri, 128GB DDR4), si da 1262 de puncte in single core. Deci mai lent decat "amaraciunea" asta de procesor de laptop (care da 1687 de puncte). In multicore, da un pic mai bine al meu (8714 vs 7433), dar totusi, are numar dublu de core-uri. So, not bad for a first CPU, right?
    Attached Images Attached Images macbook-air-m1-first-benchmark.jpg

  10. #1090 SP
    Manager paul's Avatar
    A new GFXBench 5.0 submission for the M1 exhibits its dominance over oldies, such as the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti and Radeon RX 560.

    Generic benchmarks only tell one part of the story. Furthermore, GFXBench 5.0 isn't exactly the best tool for testing graphics cards either, given that it's aimed at smartphone benchmarking. As always, we recommend treating the benchmark results with caution until we see a thorough review of the M1.

    The anonymous user tested the M1 under Apple's Metal API, making it hard to find apples-to-apples non-Apple comparisons. At the time of writing, no one has submitted a Metal run with the GeForce GTX 1650. Luckily, there is a submission for the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, so the Pascal-powered graphics card will have to serve as the baseline for now.

    In a clear victory, the Apple M1 bested the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti by a good margin. The Radeon RX 560 didn't stand a chance, either. Admittedly, the two discrete gaming graphics cards are pretty old by today's standards, but that shouldn't overshadow the fact that M1's integrated graphics outperformed both 75W desktop graphics cards, but within a pretty tight TDP range of its own.
    Apple's M1 SoC Shreds GeForce GTX 1050 Ti In New Graphics Benchmark | Tom's Hardware
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  11. #1091 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    E aceeasi situatie ca la toate mobile chips - face cateva chestii bine, cu instructiunile de baza, insa nu se poate descurca cu heavy stuff.
    Nu are memorie suficienta pt un GPU real, nr de cores e complet insuficient etc.

  12. #1092 SP
    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    razvanrazy: eu sper ca glumesti. E primul lor procesor si cu toate astea bate deja i9 + GTX 1050 Ti. La performante, ca la eficienta este deja la ani lumina. Numai faptul ca o astfel de putere e posibila pe un MacBook Air si asta cu o autonomie de pana la 20 de ore, si deja e o alta clasa de notebooks. Daca-mi dai un singur exemplu cu care se poate compara, eu il mananc.

    Eu ma bucur, mi-au dovedit ca am avut dreptate. ARM rulez. And will continue to do so. A stiut Nvidia de ce a cumparat ARM. Iar Intel si AMD vor avea in sfarsit un concurent pe masura. Dealtfel, AMD din cate am inteles deja a cerut niste patents pt. procesoare ARM, so...

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    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Man, compari mere cu pere. E ok pe clasa lor, dar nu se compara cu echivalentul pe desktop sau cu calcule mai complexe. Inteleg, esti foarte entuziasmat, foarte bine. Enjoy it.

    Pe mine ma lasa rece si-ti spun si de ce. Este un cip ARM, e aceeasi problema ca si iPad - practic noile Macbooks au un cip de iPhone/iPad doar ca un pic mai puternic - si acum au problema ca trebuie rescrise toate aplicatiile pt a lucra pe instructiuni ARM - asa cum a fost cu photoshop for iPad care este mega limitat si inca nu merge cum trebuie - si asta pentru ca nu se porteaza ala de Mac ci trebuie facuta o versiune dumbed down care sa ruleze pe chipurile alea cu fff putine instructiuni.
    Toate aplicatiile de la Apple deja le-au rescris, dar e un task f mare pt tot ce inseamna toata aplicatiile din macstore.
    Nu ai vazut cu ce se lauda ei cand zic de Games in prezentare? Cu jocuri de telefon din Apple Arcade.
    Pai pe acel 1070 rulezi jocurile alea fara sa porneasca ventilatorul

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    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Ce legatura are "entuziasmul" cu testele sintetice, care arata negru pe alb ce poate face acel SoC? Serios, ai vazut testele, ce vrei mai mult? Ieri deja s-au livrat din noile MacBook-uri, deci zilele astea ar trebui sa avem review-uri serioase. Also, referitor la comparatia cu un desktop, a spus cumva Apple ca a lansat un laptop care e desktop replacement si nu stiam eu? Neah, e doar un laptop mult mai rapid. Asteapta Mac Pro-ul daca vrei sa vezi ce nebunie va fi. Pentru ca da, si acela tot cu ARM va merge.

    Cat despre rescris aplicatiile, momentan merge bine merci cam totul via Rosetta 2 (pentru cei care nu vor sa-si rescrie aplicatiile). Chiar si cu emulare, inca se tine foarte bine.

    Si da, e perfect pentru mine ca Apple MacBooks vor rula jocurile de iOS/iPadOS. Daca vroiam jocuri de PC imi luam un laptop cu Windows, si luam unul de gaming, nu laptop care are aproximativ 1Kg.

    Sincer, eu nu detin un MacBook, dar de data asta chiar cred ca o sa-mi iau si eu unul, poate eventual la anul cand vor veni cu un M2. Pana acum MacBook-urile erau un fel de alternativa la Windows. Acum sunt altceva. And i love it just for beeing different.

    Btw, eu stiu persoane care vor cumpara noul MacBook Air doar si pentru faptul ca tine enorm bateria. Practic uiti sa-l incarci. Restul, sunt doar chestii bonus.

    P.S. Maaaan, dar ai un stil de a strica placerea unui om, de zici ca nu-i adevarat. Eu sunt mai batran asa, dar pe vremea mea ne bucuram de orice new tech iesit pe piata, indiferent cine il scotea. Vad ca voi cei mai "next-gen", nu va mai bucurati de nimic, totul e de cacao...

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    Senior Member AndRewqp's Avatar

    Clubul Apple Mac & MacOS

    Sincer când am văzut performantele și ca bateria tine 20 de ore... Incredibil. Eu folosesc laptop stric pentru spital ce tine de scris, logistica, email și altele. Nu am nevoie de jocuri sau editat photo și video. Și am ales acum un an un zenbook pro de 14 inch, subțire și foarte ușor, ca un Macbook Air și faptul ca îl pot lua cu mine oricând fără sa ma deranjeze și ca se mișcă extrem de repede este dumnezeiesc .

    Alesesem zenbook ca era mult mai ieftin ca un mac la vremea aceea dar dacă apare și la noi la 1000 de euro sunt pus în dificultate. Am dat skip deocamdată la telefon ca iPhone X încă merge brici. Mereu mi-am dorit un mac și cred ca noul procesor o sa ma convingă ca la anul sa bag mana în buzunar .


    BTW nu am avut timp sa ma uit dar ce insemana fanless. Nu are niciun ventilator???


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  16. #1096 SP
    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    AndRewqp: MacBook Air-ul nou asa e, nu are niciun ventilator. Deci zero noise, zero sanse sa se strice fiind ceva mecanic. E ca iPad-ul. MacBook Pro-ul daca nu ma insel are un ventilator, dar nu va intra prea des in functiune, ci doar cand incepe procesorul sa faca throttle (super heavy tasks).

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    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MonkY View Post
    P.S. Maaaan, dar ai un stil de a strica placerea unui om, de zici ca nu-i adevarat. Eu sunt mai batran asa, dar pe vremea mea ne bucuram de orice new tech iesit pe piata, indiferent cine il scotea. Vad ca voi cei mai "next-gen", nu va mai bucurati de nimic, totul e de cacao...
    Man, intentia mea nu e sa stric nicio bucurie nimanui, doar sa temperez asteptarile. Nu e vb ca e mai slab ca ceva de desktop, dar e bun doar pe anumite lucruri, fff limitate. Vezi iPhone/iPad care au fost si sunt fff bune pe single core si atat.

    Anywho, eu am Mac de ff multi ani si stiu ce inseamna si sincer, nu am avut niciodata durata de viata la baterie, la ce fac eu lite, mai mare de 4-5h, in niciun caz nu am ajuns la 10h daca vreau internet - si asta doar pe browsing (adica si youtube) si social media.

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    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by razvanrazy View Post
    Nu e vb ca e mai slab ca ceva de desktop, dar e bun doar pe anumite lucruri, fff limitate.
    Spune-mi si mie te rog, ce "anumite lucruri" nu poti face pe noul MacBook si faceai inainte? Ce anume este "fff limitat" fata de vechiul MacBook cu Intel?!? Ca eu unul nu inteleg...
    Quote Originally Posted by razvanrazy View Post
    Vezi iPhone/iPad care au fost si sunt fff bune pe single core si atat.
    De-aia iPad-urile si iPhone-urile sunt in top la multiscore pe mobile? Nu stiu, cred ca tu faci o greseala majora, comparand niste CPU-uri de desktop, cu TDP-uri de peste 150W, cu unele de laptop, care la 5-15W ajung la aceleasi scoruri. Chiar nu inteleg ce ai fi vrut sa faca pentru a te satisface. Sa bage procesor Intel de desktop pe laptop, ca sa ai aceeasi mizerie de rezultate din ultimele 5 ani? Si cu lifetime la baterie de 10 minute? Chiar sunt curios ce te-ar fi multumit daca facea Apple. Desi am asa un feeling ca nimic nu ar fi fost suficient.
    Quote Originally Posted by razvanrazy View Post
    Anywho, eu am Mac de ff multi ani si stiu ce inseamna si sincer, nu am avut niciodata durata de viata la baterie, la ce fac eu lite, mai mare de 4-5h, in niciun caz nu am ajuns la 10h daca vreau internet - si asta doar pe browsing (adica si youtube) si social media.
    Normal ca n-ai ajuns. Ai un Intel in el. Ai arhitectura x86, una care nu a fost niciodata regandita din start pt. mobile jobs. Ceea ce Apple tocmai a facut. Arhitectura ARM se scaleaza perfect pe mobile (in special cu LittleBIG - core-uri high performance + core-uri low consumption).

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    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MonkY View Post
    Normal ca n-ai ajuns. Ai un Intel in el. Ai arhitectura x86, una care nu a fost niciodata regandita din start pt. mobile jobs. Ceea ce Apple tocmai a facut. Arhitectura ARM se scaleaza perfect pe mobile (in special cu LittleBIG - core-uri high performance + core-uri low consumption).
    Sa stii ca este ok sa avem pareri diferite. Nu trebuie sa o iei atat de personal. Nu e vorba de satisfacut pe mine, pentru ca nu sunt publicul tinta - probabil imi voi schimba Mac-u in 3-4 ani cu ce va fi atunci pe piata.

    Dar la fel ca la console - se anunta ceva wow, mind blowing, extra super mega tare si apoi vezi ca de fapt nu e true 4k gaming si RT calumea. Si apoi vine cineva care zice - pai ce te astepti la 500$? Pai ma astept sa fie cum marketeaza ei. Pentru ca nu le-am cerut eu sa aibe 8k pe cutie, sau 4K pe generatia actuala, cand de fapt nici pe "next gen" nu duce in 4k.

    In cazul asta, ma astept sa fie mai bun ca 90% din laptopurile de pe piata. Pentru ca asta au zis. Si nu ma refer la alea cu i3. Si nu ma refer la stat si vorbit pe facebook. Dar again - nu sunt publicul tinta si nu am de ce sa ma entuziasmez.
    Daca vreau o aplicatie de telefon - o joc pe telefon.

    Also, referitor la battery life - fix asta e problema. Modelul meu (ca toate de pana acum) ei le marketau ca avand 10h battery life. Eu nu am trecut niciodata de 4-5h in ce faceam. Si asta repet, doar browsing, youtube si poate putin whatsapp din aplicatie.
    Iar cand scoteam pe TV un film 1080p (deci cu monitorul inchis) am avut filme de 3+h la care s-a inchis si am adus incarcator.

    Sper sincer sa vad 1000 de teste in care matura pe jos cu orice competitor. Sper sa vad Apple ca pe ce era inainte cand ii idolarizam.
    Din pacate pentru mine, s-a pierdut "magia" aia si nu prea mai am incredere in mare lucru din ce zic. Si nu sunt negativist sau hater, doar realist.

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    Admin MonkY's Avatar
    Nu mai vorbesc cu tine pe tema asta, pentru ca tu oricum nu esti publicul tinta, si oricum nu-ti place, si oricum nu stiu ce vrei de fapt...

    Las aici doar pentru cine e interesat, un screenshot in care e o comparatie intre MacBook Air Early 2020 (cu i7) vs noul MacBook Air Late 2020 (cel cu M1). Pe langa scorurile care vorbesc de la sine, de mentionat ca SSD-ul M.2 e 2x faster, ca autonomia e de aprox. 2x better, si ca acum pe langa aplicatiile x86, vor functiona Universal Apps (which I love).

    Si cateva articole, tot pentru cei interesati:
    MacBook Air M1 benchmarks revealed — and they destroy Windows laptops
    Mac mini M1 benchmarks revealed — and they crush Intel
    Apple M1 Running scores are out - Slams Intel I9?

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