Polyphony Digital Involved in PS4 & Vita Hardware Development cred ca am postato bine...
Polyphony Digital Involved in PS4 & Vita Hardware Development cred ca am postato bine...
Acuma da.Originally Posted by Florin85
Betăr.
Sincer, la viteza cu care se misca Polyphony, cred ca o sa vedem urmatorul Gran Turismo peste vreo 4-5 ani
S-ar putea sa ne inselam si sa vina putin mai repedeSincer, la viteza cu care se misca Polyphony, cred ca o sa vedem urmatorul Gran Turismo peste vreo 4-5 aniSony Executive Suggests Gran Turismo 6 May Come to PS3
Lier? Fake?
Ma refer la fps. ^^
Parca au promis intre 40/60 FPS 1080P.
"Cei de la EuroGamer au analizat demo-ul in-game și au discutat despre framerate-ul și capabilitățile noi console dar și despre aspectele vizuale din Killzone: Shadow Fall"
Fara suparare... dar daca se va intampla asa, cei de la Sony isi vor "canibaliza" propria lor consola "next-gen": PS4. Din cate vad, majoritatea jocurilor vor iesi si pe PS3. Nu ma supar, ca n-am PS4... dar isi dau singuri la "gioale", si va deveni din ce in ce mai putin atractiva noua consola.S-ar putea sa ne inselam si sa vina putin mai repede
"At the most basic level, an APU is a single chip that combines general-purpose x86 central processing unit (CPU) cores (in this case, 64-bit x86) with a graphics processing unit (GPU) and a variety of system elements, including memory controllers, specialized video decoders, display outputs, etc. Our semi-custom solutions take the same treasure trove of graphics; compute and multi-media IP found in our APUs, and customize them for customers who have a very specific high-volume product that could benefit from AMD’s leading-edge technologies."
"AMD Radeon™ graphics delivering nearly 2 TFLOPS of compute performance! "
Deci 2.. fata de 1.84?
Sursa: AMD.com
Cum adică își dau singuri la gioale? Banii de la gt6 si un nou val de vânzări ps3 tot la ei ajung...ei sunt interesați de profit fie ca e vorba de ps3 sau ps4...atât timp cât ies jocuri bune pe ps3..to hell with ps4...
Nu o sa fie chiar atat de simplu... cand or sa vada ca ei au vandut 2-3 milioane de PS4 si Microsoft o sa anunte 20-30 de milioane de Xbox 3-uri. Banii nu inseamna totul in business-ul asta. Tu, ca developer, pentru ce consola vei face jocul? Pentru cea vanduta in 2-3 milioane de bucati, sau pentru cea cu 20-30 milioane? Hmm, tough choice!
Eu ca developer fac acelasi joc si pentru PS3, dar si pentru PS4, numai ca bag optiunea de online multiplayer doar la PS4. La PS3 il fac doar jucabil in offline. Este exact ce se intampla cu jocul FIFA acum (offline si online pe PS VITA, WII U, PS3, XBOX 360 si PC, offline pe PS2, PSP si WII).
Asta se poate întâmpla doar intr-un univers paralel...nu are cum sa existe un asemenea gap între cele 2 console..
@tudyniuz:vorbim de segmente de consumatori total diferite
Wii era pe la 20 de milioane de bucati vandute cand PS3 abia vanduse 1 milion. Se poate, orice se poate.
Uitati un articol foarte interesant de pe Endgadget.com : The PS4's processor and performance: what we know and what we think we know
Ne spune un lucru interesant : PS4 nu este ieftin de construit ! Ei spun ca si in situatia in care AMD va oferii preturi mici la procesoarele vandute (discount masiv / mil. buc produse) totusi un procesor octo-core nu are cum sa fie ieftin de produs. Acompaniat de 8 Gb DDR5 (care inca nu se gasesc de vanzare) + un GPU gen HD 7850 + unitatea BluRay + hdd mai mare de 320 Gb, rezulta ca noua consola PS4 se va vinde initial fara mare profit / sau chiar in pierdere (nu e de mirare PS3 la lansare la fel a fost vandut).
Ce ziceti, au dreptate Endgadget ?
Gddr 5
Eu sincer cred ca AMD este unul din motivele pentru care se va intarzia lansarea. Mai ales pt. un custom CPU/GPU. Eu chiar nu-i vad pe ei capabil sa furnizeze repede zeci de milioane de astfel de custom sollutions. Daca era Intel mai ziceam... poate chiar si nVidia (prin third party builders), dar la AMD, am mari indoieli.
Cat despre pret... la urma urmei si la PS3 au spus ca se vinde in pierdere. Dar no offense, la 69 Lire un joc... cred ca Sony isi scoate banii instant din jocuri. Mai punem si streaming, plus jocuri de PS3, PS2 via Gaikai... eu zic ca in final Sony castiga bani frumosi.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...-your-pc-isnt/
Carol equips her gaming rig with an Intel CPU, the i5-3550P to be precise, a 4-core 3.1Ghz chip. She pairs that with a*Radeon HD 7850 with 2GB of DDR5 RAM and another 8 gigs of DDR3 RAM for system memory.
RAM-BO
Let’s take a look at the memory first. In the PC set-up, we have 8 gigs of common DDR3 RAM, but Sony has somehow crammed the same amount of GDDR5 RAM into its PS4.
GDDR5 is primarily used in graphics chips. It’s not something you see used as system RAM at all.
For instance, the nVidia “Titan” GPU, which costs $1000 by itself, has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, and that’s still all reserved for the GPU. You’ll be hard-pressed to find*any*PC*with GDDR5 plugged directly into the motherboard rather than sitting on the graphics card. This just isn’t how PCs work at the moment, though that will likely change.
GDDR5, while suffering from slightly higher latency, offers a substantial bandwidth boost over DDR3, and given the make-up of the integrated CPU/GPU chip in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost.
One Chip to rule them all
Next up we have the CPU/GPU configuration.
Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builderssimply cannot do yet. PC’s come with two separate chips connected over a PCI-E chipset.
The PS4, on the other hand, houses an integrated CPU/GPU custom AMD chip—the “Jaguar” CPU is not available for purchase yet and the GPU side of the equation is said to be similar to AMD cards running in the $200 price-range. The secret weapon here isn’t either the 8-core CPU or the GPU, but rather how the two are paired.
Both the processor and the graphics card are built into the same chip and both tap into that 8GB of DDR5 memory at once—it’s a “unified memory” setup as opposed to the system your PC uses, with the CPU utilizing your DDR3 system memory and your GPU harnessing the more robust GDDR5.
What does this mean? Basically it means that the two chips will be able to communicate with one another much faster and more efficiently than in a traditional PC set-up. Combine this with the high-bandwidth GDDR5 memory and the fact that much of the traditional CPU tasks will be offloaded to the GPU, and you have a machine that you*simply cannot compare to a modern PC.
Windows? We don’t need no stinking Windows
One expensive component I didn’t notice on Carol’s list was the operating system.
While you could go with a free Linux build, to get the most out of a gaming PC you’ll want to spend on a Windows install disc. You can still buy Windows 7 and you could probably find an OEM disc for around $99. But the costs of running Windows aren’t all monetary. Unlike a PC, the PS4 won’t need to bother with all those pesky PC applications. There will be no anti-virus software running in the background. A console is a closed system with all the benefits (and limitations) that entails.
In other words, what you can do with the PS4 hardware on a console is not the same thing as what you can do with the same, or similar, hardware in a PC.
This rule applies to game development as well. Consoles may be under-powered compared to their PC cousins, but they have advantages in terms of uniformity that make them very developer friendly. Developing games for a uniform system is a huge advantage over the PC market with its wildly diverse array of price and power points. Again, this convenience does come with its own set of disadvantages. In a few years, the PC will be much more powerful than the PS4, for instance.
The PS3 was no walk in the park for game development, but with a move to x86, Sony is making it much easier for developers to work with their platform. Standardization will also make it easier to port PS4 games to PC.
Finally, we don’t know what type of hard drive the PS4 will come equipped with. Will it be a traditional spindle-based drive or an SSD? Perhaps a hybrid solution? This, and the optical drive, will be the real performance bottlenecks in the system*and*in the PC you could theoretically build to compare it with.
The fact is, no matter how you slice or dice it, you can’t build a PC with the same specs or performance as the PS4. You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost.
None of that matters, however. PC gaming is great, but I’m a big tent guy. I like the participation of multiple systems in the market, and the PS4 will be a great competitor for the next generation of video games. The most important thing the system will have to offer will be its games.
There will be many PS4 exclusives that will only play on that machine. If you want to play those games, it won’t matter how amazing your gaming rig is—just like the PS4, however high-powered, will not have access to the entire breadth of titles available on PC.
Show me the money!
Either way, the console will almost certainly cost you less than a comparable gaming PC. Analysts are saying that*$299 is the “magic price point”
*for the system, but I’m betting we don’t see under $399 at launch. That would still empty your wallet less than a gaming rig. Will it make the PS4 a money-loser for Sony?
Actually, I doubt it. Unlike your gaming rig, Sony’s CPU/GPU combo chip is much cheaper to manufacture. The heating solution for one chip is also cheaper, as is the fact that no operating system overhead exists. Indeed, all the parts—save for the RAM—should come at a pretty reasonable price. I’m not sure if Sony is taking a loss, but from what I’ve read it doesn’t appear to be the case—or at the very least, the loss won’t be dramatic. Then again, we don’t know the price of the machine yet, so this is guess work.
Either way,*building a PC really is a lot of fun
, and it’s hard to top PC gaming with its*adaptability, openness, and future-proofing.
I can’t argue in favor of a system that hasn’t yet released, but I do think it’s important to note just how structurally unique the PS4 will be compared to its PC counterparts, at least for the time being. Not better, necessarily, but certainly different enough that any comparison is basically apples to oranges...
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Referitor la preţul jocurilor, oamenii de la sony au anunţat ca un joc nu va depăşi 60$, deci acelaşi preţ...
Yeah right. Asa au zis si la PS3, ca vor fi ca la PS2... si primele luni, erau 70 EUR toate porcariile de jocuri.
FYI: PS4 | Sony's PlayStation 4 Consoles, Games & Accessories from TheHut.com | Free Delivery - deja gasesti la precomanda 69.99 Lire. Parca e cam departe de 60 Dolari...
Deocamdată vorbim discuţii, o sa vedem, important e ca majoritatea jocurilor vor apărea si pe ps3, iar diferenţa nu se justifică, jocurile pe ps3 nu arată rau.
Exagerate preturile la jocuri! Consola o inteleg si daca e 500-600 de lire, insa un joc in 2013 (care are de partea lui toata tehnologia necesara si lejeritatea de creatie, vizavi de anii '80-'90), care se produce in cantitati industriale, cu profituri de enspemii de ori mai mult, e strigator la cer sa ceri 70 de lire... mai ales cand te gandesti ca majoritatea-s mediocre iar a doua oara nici nu le mai joci.
A mai venit cineva pe forum cu o explicatie plauzibila legata de preturile respective, se prea poate ca acelea sa fie placeholdere pentru a evita ca Sony sa anunte un pret mai mare decat cel de 60 de dolari pe joc, reseller-ul 'protejandu-se' astfel sa nu iasa in pierdere (daca ar pune jocurile la precomanda la pretul de 40 de lire spre exemplu). Si cum precomanda garanteaza cel mai mic pret, evident ca acelea se vor modifica in cazul in care RPR va fi de 60 de dolari (cum o sa si fie)
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