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  1. #81 SP
    Senior Member Espiritus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lukecelmare View Post
    Ce fel de jocuri ar trebui sa prezinte pentru a va starni macar interesul , poate chiar sa cumparati un Xbox in viitor ?
    Pentru a ma face sa vreau Xbox ar trebui sa renunte la filosifa lor de "ecosistem Windows". Am deja un PC decent pe care ma pot juca toate jocurile lor exclusive, ar fi contraintuitiv sa imi cumpar si consola lor in loc de PS5.


    Cat despre a-mi starni interesul, orice joc bun e binevenit. Prin joc bun nu inteleg inca un shooter generic precum Gears sau Halo, ci experiente single player interesante si originale. Cateva exemple bune sunt Cuphead, Hellblade, primul Fable si Alan Wake, dar chiar mi-ar starni interesul sa scoata pana si un singur joc cu acelasi nivel de atentie la detalii ca exclusivele Sony. Nu o sa uit niciodata cat de impresionat am fost de animatiile si physics engine din Uncharted 4 cand l-am jucat prima data, lucru care din pacate nu mi s-a intamplat cu niciun joc de la Microsoft.



  2. #82 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    E clar ca nu vor renunta si nici nu au de ce. Ba mai mult, vei vedea ca desi nu vor veni day 1 pe PC, cam toate jocurile Sony vor ajunge si pe PC (one way or another) dar nu numai.
    Eu cred ca si Sony va lansa, odata cu PS5 sau in primul an, un serviciu gen xCloud prin care vom putea juca absolut orice joc, oriunde.
    Sunt curios atunci ce vor spune fanii Sony.

    Deja daca-ti place sa stai la un PC, nu va mai avea rost sa-ti cumperi console.

  3. #83 SP
    Senior Member Espiritus's Avatar
    Sper sa ai dreptate. Nu am nicio placere masochista in a cumpara si o consola pe langa PC fara motiv, deci daca nu vor mai exista console exclusives in nicio tabara nu pot decat sa ma bucur. Sper sa ofere si servicii de genul game pass in care pot plati o suma modica lunar pentru a ma putea juca orice joc vreau fara sa le mai cumpar.

    Insa eu unul nu prea vad cum i-ar ajuta asta pe cei de la Sony sa vanda mai mult. Mi se pare chiar opusul: de ce sa alegi PS5 sau Xbox si sa ratezi jocurile din cealalta tabara cand poti sa iti iei un PC si sa joci exclusivele din ambele parti? Sa nu uitam ca majoritatea profitului Sony vine din comisionul de 30% pe care il iau de la absolut fiecare joc vandut pe platforma lor, nu din jocurile pe care ei le fac si le vand efectiv. Comision care scade daca oamenii vor prefera PC in loc de PS5.

  4. #84 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Pai tocmai asta e ideea. Ca nu-ti va trebui nici macar un PC. Sau e suficient un chromebook. Dar totul va merge pe orice ecran ai la indemana in locatia respectiva, cat timp ai net.

    Daca vrei sa joci Uncharted si esti la munte unde ai doar un TV mai nou, care sa aibe Chromecast integrat, sau iti iei cu Chromecast de acasa, sau Apple TV, sau orice altceva asemanator, ai bagat in TV, ai legat un controller si BAM - ai totul acolo direct din aplicatie dedicata sau browser, sau chiar din screen sharing/mirroring. Daca ai telefon sau tableta sau orice altceva, joci pe alea cu sau fara gamepad.

    Ce castiga ei din astea? Cumperi jocul tot de la ei sau ai abonament activ la ei, in cazul in care vor face un serviciu gen Game Pass, chiar daca nu ai cumparata consola, indiferent daca aveai sau nu plan sa achizitionezi una.

  5. #85 SP
    Member kkkotto07's Avatar
    Sa arate jocuri in primul rand si apoi vorbim si despre ce fel de jocuri. Ne dam seama de unele lucruri doar uitandu-ne pe prima pagina din ariile consolelor concurente. Amintesc cateva de pe aria ps4, prima pagina: The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone, God of War 4, Detroit Become Human, DriveClub, Bloodborne, Spiderman. Sa citim si de pe pagina urmatoare? In partea cealalta mi-e frica sa ma uit.

  6. #86 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Pai vezi ca deja 3 din alea enumerate sunt si pe PC, asa ca nu prea ar mai trebui sa fie la sectiunea de PS4

  7. #87 SP
    Member kkkotto07's Avatar
    Joaca-le tu pe pc dupa 1 an, doi sau trei, eu le-am deschis din prima secunda a aparitiei lor. Daca nu ar tb sa fie alea la sectiunea ps4, desfiintati atunci sectiune xbox ca toate sunt si pe pc, nu?

  8. #88 SP
    Moderator paul's Avatar
    Mai degraba sectiunea de PC, daca tot suntem Console Games.
    Oricum, s-a schimbat regula. Daca un joc apare pe cel putin doua console, merge pe Console Club. Daca e pe o singura consola, merge pe aria dedicata consolei, indiferent ca e si pe PC.

  9. #89 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kkkotto07 View Post
    Joaca-le tu pe pc dupa 1 an, doi sau trei, eu le-am deschis din prima secunda a aparitiei lor. Daca nu ar tb sa fie alea la sectiunea ps4, desfiintati atunci sectiune xbox ca toate sunt si pe pc, nu?
    Pai si eu ma joc pe PS4 si majoritatea le-am jucat day 1, eu doar spuneam ca te mandresti cu ceva ce cu siguranta va disparea curand.
    Mai bine te-ai bucura efectiv de jocuri, indiferent de platforma aleasa si ai lasa impungerile gratuite catre oamenii care joaca pe alte platforme.

  10. #90 SP
    Member kkkotto07's Avatar
    Hai, nu dramatiza si nu face analiza pe text mai mult decat e cazul, am raspuns la o intrebare iar raspunsul meu nu difera fata de al altora. Si cum adica ma mandresc cu ceva ce va disparea, unde, Doamne iarta-ma, se duc jocurile alea? Le da cineva delete de pe hdd?

  11. #91 SP
    Banned GamblerRambler's Avatar
    Parca a fost mai bine asa, fiecare companie cu conferinta ei pe cont propriu, cu produsele ei.
    Si numai in format online.

    Mai bine s-ar desfiinta porcaria de Electronic Entertainment Expo care de cativa ani se transformase intr-un balci.

    Si asa companii ca Sony, Rockstar si Blizzard nu mai iau parte de ceva timp.

  12. #92 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kkkotto07 View Post
    Hai, nu dramatiza si nu face analiza pe text mai mult decat e cazul, am raspuns la o intrebare iar raspunsul meu nu difera fata de al altora. Si cum adica ma mandresc cu ceva ce va disparea, unde, Doamne iarta-ma, se duc jocurile alea? Le da cineva delete de pe hdd?
    Din momentul in care jocurile PS pot fi jucate si pe PC (prin orice alte mijloace legale, gen game streaming), nu vor mai fi considerate exclusivitati decat de necunoscatori. Ce o sa faci atunci? Te duci in munti si te apuci de meditat? Sau o sa continui sa te joci de placere, pentru ca-ti place?

    Cu siguranta in maxim 1 an va lansa si Sony un PS Now 2.0, un serviciu de game streaming care sa concureze cu Stadia, Amazon, xCloud, Parsec, samd. Si daca nu vor avea "exclusivele" acolo, nu se vor diferentia cu nimic de restul si nu vor atrage clientii.

  13. #93 SP
    Member kkkotto07's Avatar
    Pai, Razvan, ma doare la bascheti ca apar si pe pc atata timp cat sunt la fel de multe, bune si diverse. Nu e taman ok sa vezi fanboyul ps din perspectiva asta cand el, saracul, e doar "sclavul" jocurilor de calitate. Deci, ramane cum am stabilit, o consola ofera jocuri, cealalta nu, sau nu prea, inca, asta era raspunsul simplu la intrebarea de mai sus, ce vrem de la o consola xbox ca sa o cumparam. Si bafta la jucat streaming, e al dracului de satisfacatoare experienta.

  14. #94 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Pai nu e chiar acelasi lucru, e doar o ipocrizie.

    Deci daca un joc Xbox il poti juca si pe PC, inseamna ca Xbox e mizerabil si nu are exclusivitati.
    Daca in schimb un joc PS se poate juca si pe PC (prin PS Now, sau urmatoarea generatie de streaming, sau chiar o lansare separata pe PC) nu este nicio problema, cat timp jocurile sunt de calitate

    Pai si ce te face sa crezi ca alea de Xbox nu sunt de calitate? Ca nu sunt pentru toata lumea, sunt de acord, dar nici Uncharted sau God of War nu sunt (si am destui prieteni care nu pun mana pe asa ceva nici daca le dau eu jocul gratis - fratele meu included).

    Cat de streaming, e o discutie pentru alte thread-uri, dar s-au facut niste avansuri atat de mari dpdv tehnologie, incat diferentele sunt practic insesizabile, atat la calitatea streaming-ului, cat si la delay (s-a si masura in ms de catre DF, care se stie ca sunt Stadia haters, iar cifrele erau super bune atunci, iar de atunci s-au super imbunatatit). Iar asta pentru consumatorul de rand, sau pentru cineva care oricum nu ar fi investit in vreo consola sau nu se joaca in mod constant, este ceva wow. Nu mai spun de cei care joaca pe ultimile rasnite de PC-uri, sau pe plaja/balcon/munte.

  15. #95 SP
    Member kkkotto07's Avatar
    Daca vrei sa contracarezi ce a mai spus vreun "fanboy ps mic si rau" in discutia cu mine iar nu e tocmai ok, asta pt ca eu nu am spus vreodata ca xbox e mizerabil pentru ca jocurile lor apar si pe pc! Unde vorbesc eu de calitatea jocurilor xbox? Las-o asa.

  16. #96 SP
    Why so serious ? razvanrazy's Avatar
    Recunosc, acel "mizerabil" a fost un cuvant adaugat de mine, ca sa demonstrez ceva. Ceva ce oricum ramane in picioare.

    Tu ai spus doar ca "PS are jocuri de calitate", iar xbox...nu are jocuri. Caz in care ma intreb. Comparativ cu ce, are PS jocuri de calitate? Comparativ cu nimic? Daca da... e nasolica

  17. #97 SP
    Senior Member Espiritus's Avatar
    Ce am inteles eu din discutia de mai sus: PS + PC are jocuri mai bune (sau cel putin mai multe AAA) decat Xbox + PC.

  18. #98 SP
    Moderator paul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GamesIndustry.biz
    I really want E3 back | Opinion
    There are clear benefits to spreading out announcements during the summer, but there's more to it than just better numbers

    Earlier this week, analytics firm Fancensus argued that we don't need E3 anymore.

    It used those pesky facts to make a case. The data states that the big game reveals of the last few months have generated more noise, attention and coverage compared with the big announcements of E3 last year.

    There are a few caveats to consider. Almost everything is up in the online world this year; more people are reading stories, more people are watching videos, and more people are on social media, which is unsurprising when you consider the number of people who have been stuck at home. We -- as in GamesIndustry.biz -- have broken our monthly traffic record three times since lockdown started, and that's a trend across the games media. If you're creating interesting, insightful content, the COVID-19 situation has provided you with a captive audience. Couple that with the pent-up demand for new game announcements, particularly from Sony, and it's no surprise that records are being broken.

    Therefore, comparisons between 2020 and 2019 are not entirely like-for-like. Even so, Fancensus' point still stands: the game reveals of 2020 are generating more buzz than the reveals of 2019. So do we really need E3? Do we need physical events at all?

    Yes. Yes we do. Numbers be damned. This year's series of digital events have been prolonged, messy, complicated and inconsistent, scattered among different schedules, media outlets and, well, Geoff Keighley. Publishers, developers and platform holders are tasked with keeping all of their big digital partners happy, which means it's been almost impossible to keep track of it all. There's no single online equivalent to the Los Angeles Convention Center. There are dozens of them.

    This is nobody's fault. Everyone is doing the best they can in an impossible situation. The pandemic is what killed E3 this year, and it's the pandemic that has messed up development schedules, making announcements tricky to judge and pull together. But the absence of E3 in 2020, far from proving that we don't need the show, has actually done the opposite.

    Digital events don't compare with physical ones, particularly in video games where the artform is meant to be played. I'm not specifically talking about press conferences here, although some of the reveals we've seen -- such as Fable and Horizon: Forbidden West -- would have no doubt received a rapturous response in front of a live audience.

    Instead, I am talking about the ability to go beyond the trailer, to ask questions of the creators and experience the products. During the Xbox event last week, the gameplay reveal of Halo: Infinite was less than ideal. It looked exactly like the sort of game a Halo fan would want, but it came under fire for its lack of visual flair. I've been told that it is a fantastic experience with a pad in your hand, but there was nobody to make that argument last week. The headlines were all "What's wrong with Halo's graphics?" And not "Halo may not look like much, but it's a joy to play."

    Even the PS5 reveal, which was mostly well received, suffered some mild criticism for the fact the games didn't look especially different to the ones on PS4. But it's hard to sell the speed of the SSD over a pre-recorded video. Is the DualSense controller really all that? Geoff Keighley seemed to like it, but what about everyone else? The lack of E3 robs us of this analysis. E3 was never just about the number of viewers; it's about those hands-on reports, those side-by-side comparisons, and those "Best of E3" lists.

    Those lists are one of the advantages, at least from a consumer perspective, behind announcing products close together. A show like E3 paints a full picture, in terms of console games, of what's coming up. After PlayStation revealed PS5 in June, I was still unaware of what the big games coming to that platform would be. At that point, we'd barely seen anything from EA, Activision or Ubisoft. We also had only a loose idea over what its main competitor would be doing.

    This lack of visibility is far from ideal. There's no single place where everything is rounded up so that fans can form their wishlists or get those pre-orders in. It's practically August, and we still don't have a full view over what's coming this Christmas. Where is Call of Duty? Did someone forget to remind Nintendo to announce something? The situation is also proving to be a headache for retailers, at a time when they could do with some clarity.

    You don't need E3 to do this, of course. E3 isn't really a single event -- it's a collection of individual publisher shows that come together at the same time, with an expo floor in the middle (which some do not attend). What if instead of E3, these individual publisher shows are just scattered over a month, some digital and some physical. Everything still happens within a relatively short space of time, but publishers get that benefit of a clear window in which to show their games.

    This would also benefit the media. One of the clear advantages we've had during COVID-19 has been the chance to digest the news, spend longer with interview subjects, and take our time over the coverage. We've done pieces this year that wouldn't have been possible condensed into a single week.

    This is what Fancensus was suggesting in its analysis. Granted, there are practical advantages to doing everything in one place like E3. It's easier to convince business partners and media to come to one event than it is three or four -- people do need to be at their desks at some point, and there are carbon footprints to think about. Also, one big event allows slightly smaller publishers, like Square Enix and Bethesda, to do their own reveal shows, which perhaps wouldn't be viable without an E3 to bring in the people -- something noted by SuperData.

    Nevertheless, there is logic to spreading things out a bit, and Fancensus has the data to prove it. But it's not always about what makes logical sense. E3 is often called "Christmas for gamers," and I think that makes for an interesting comparison. Imagine if Christmas wasn't just a few days towards the end of December, but instead you were given a present every two weeks over a prolonged period. That would certainly make more sense as you would have the time and space to properly enjoy the present. Logically, a Christmas spread out over three months would create far better results than a Christmas condensed to just a few days. But it also wouldn't be nearly as exciting or fun. It wouldn't bring people together the way it does right now.

    That sort of sentimental perspective is subjective and intangible. You can't easily put the words "more exciting" into your ROI column on your marketing budget sheet. But the absence of E3 this year -- of that bonkers, exciting week in the middle of June -- has been felt. Our sister site Nintendolife recently did a poll of its audience -- Nintendo fans are probably the most disappointed by this summer so far -- and asked them if they've missed the focus of E3, and 74% said yes. When asked if there's an opportunity for E3 to return with a bang next year, 56% said "yes, this year shows we still need E3" and 25% said that it could do "as long as there are some tweaks."

    Fancensus argued on Wednesday that we don't need E3, and it's right -- we don't, and we never did. But I like to think that once the dust has settled on this unusual, confusing summer, we will want it back.
    I really want E3 back | Opinion | GamesIndustry.biz

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