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Si cam asta vine de la un angajat Microsoft (la unul din studiourile lor)... o explicatie mult mai pertinenta decat orice am vazut oficial de la Microsoft (desi culmea, contine o groaza de **** words). Le-o fi atat de greu sa explice chestiile astea direct?
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>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for **** value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.
>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm **** as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted ****.
>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.
>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :)
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>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO **** US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.
>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop ****s them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.
>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF ****ING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road
>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years
>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that **** happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.
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>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's ****ing sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.
>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool **** when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you're ****ed after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain't playing ****. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're ****ed for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 cluster****
>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.
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>The cloud capabilities is the **** they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute **** and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.
>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool **** going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.
>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.
>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.
Doamne fereste, fa si tu un rezumat ca n-am timp sa citesc atat. :-/:-/
Pe scurt, vor sa scape de DVD-uri, Xbox One-ul sa fie un fel de Steam al consolelor. Astfel incat pretul jocurilor sa fie reduse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov1944
Nu e nimic nou, dar ca e o explicatie data cu bun simt. Nu cum ne-a zis flegmatic Don, ca masa de gameri trebuie educata ca sa inteleaga schimbarile pe care ei le aduc.
dar de ce nu ne arata ei preturile alea ca pe steam inainte sa cumparam noi (cei din alea 21 de tari adica) consola? asta cu promisiunile pentru "o lume mai buna daca ne alegi pe noi" le vedem la fiecare perioada electorala si dupa ce dai banu/votu ramai cu buza umflata.
Exista variante digitale ale jocurilor pe disc de multa vreme pe live, care au fix limitarile pe care le impune acum xbone sau cum e la steam, dar nu am vazut niciodata preturile(/promotiile) de pe steam! jocuri pe care dupa ce le cumperi nu poti sa le revinzi, raman la tine pe veci, exact cum va fi acum la xbone.
Daca pana acum nu mi-au demonstrat ca limitarile imi pot aduce un pret mai mic, de ce sa-i cred eu ca acum va fi altfel?
MSlv: mi-ai luat vorbele din gura :)
Exact asta vroiam si eu sa spun. Ma uit cateodata la preturile lor pentru jocurile full, in format digital, si ma ingrozesc. Cu banii pe un joc downloadat de la ei, cumpar 2 sau chiar 3 jocuri retail, sigilate. Nu vorbesc de day 1 games... dar nici de jocuri de acum 5 ani.
astea sunt niste vrajeli ieftine..nici steam nu-i raiul de pe pamant..si pe steam gasesti oferte bune la unele jocuri si oferte slabe la altele..si la steam gasesti si preturi mici si preturi mari(in sensul de mai mari ca la raft :-S )
nu stiu cum e pe Live si ce reduceri sunt acolo acum dar eu am luat de la "Live-ul concurentei" tomb raider cu 20 lire la 3 sapt(parca) dupa lansare...si "firma concurenta" n-a venit sa serveasca vrajeala asta "digitalul este viitorul; e spre binele vostru; vom avea preturi si oferte a la steam"
RE: tocmai de aia am spus ca nu stiu cum e acum pe Live..cat timp am avut Xbox360 am cumparat doar Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands la 5 euro :)
Revin si eu rugamintea sa incetati cu exemple de PlayStation pe thread de Xbox One. Poate sunt aici oameni pe care nu-i intereseaza cat de bine si frumos e totul pe PlayStation. Daca vor sa afle asta, vor intra pe threadurile de PS4 & Co. Thx in advance!
Ca sa nu mai vorbim de "THE CLOUD". Uite un articol DigitalFoundry in care le dau rau peste bot:
In Theory: Can the Xbox One cloud transform next-gen gaming? • Articles • Eurogamer.net :o
Oh the irony... ;))
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Nu trebuia să fie și România undeva în topul ăla?
Locul 8 în acest clasament http://www.netindex.com/
Locul 4 în acest clasament http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/11/12/...oss-the-world/
Cei care au scris articolul au scos atât de multe țări încât să ajungă și USA în top 10? :))
Intrebarea mea era bazata pe Witcher 3, dar Romania este foarte departe de PoloniaQuote:
Originally Posted by wii-u.ro
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Avand in vedere ca aici 99% dintre 360-uri sunt modate, sunt sigur ca MS vede Romania ca pe o piata cu potential extraordinar ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scofield91
Xbox One va avea o lansare intarziata chiar si in Japonia, undeva prin 2014...iti dai seama pe unde e Romania.
Dar acela nu este un articol scris de Microsoft, ci de Eurogamer.
Ueeei Timisoara numero 1 la DownloadB-):memetroll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scofield91
Ai vreo dovada in acest sens? Cred ca exagerezi totusi. Eu, in cercul meu de amici cu Xbox 360 (prin care poti numara si cativa de pe forum)... nu stiu mai mult de 2 persoane cu Xbox 360 modat... din 50 or so. Nu spun ca e o regula, dar nici nu exagerez spunand ca NIMENI nu modeaza.Quote:
Originally Posted by wii-u.ro
Ar fi fost bine sa avem genul acesta de raspunsuri de la Microsoft (pentru ca oricum IP-urile sunt logate)... Din pacate, de la Microsoft mie deja nu-mi mai raspunde nimeni. Daca vrea cineva sa-si incerce puterile, be my guest!
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De pe Gaf :
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Alongside the announcement of bonuses like an exclusive achievement, the One’s terms and conditions are listed and are rather alarming.
Requires broadband internet (ISP fees apply), a Microsoft account and an account on Xbox Live in an Xbox One-supported Xbox Live country/region, and 720p or higher HDMI-compatible TV. To receive live TV via broadcast or cable, supported receiver device (television tuner or cable/satellite set top box) with HDMI output and HDMI cable required (all sold separately).
Additional subscriptions, internet speed and/or requirements apply for some features.
Kinect Sensor for Xbox One (included) and periodic system software updates required for continued use; significant updates may be required during set-up and over time (ISP fees apply).
Some games not transferable and have no resale value; restrictions on games usage apply.
Games, Kinect and accessories made for Xbox 360 or original Xbox will not work with Xbox One.
Xbox One system software uses a significant amount of storage; less internal storage will be available to users. 500 GB = 500 billion bytes.
You must accept Xbox Terms of Use (including Xbox software terms and game license terms), Microsoft Services Agreement, and Xbox One 1-year limited warranty. Some games have additional license terms.
Terms include binding arbitration with class action waiver to resolve disputes.
Additional requirements will apply.
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“Terms include binding arbitration with class action waiver to resolve dispute.” In other words, no more legal cases against Microsoft if Xbox live gets hacked or if the hardware suffers Red Ring of Death style issues.
Deja vuQuote:
Originally Posted by malpraxis06
AnandTech | E3 2005 - Day 1: The Xbox 360 Update
Deja nu mai e un secret, tot ce ati vazut la prezentarile X1 si PS4 erau rulate pe PC-uri.
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